( Part. III )
VAN HUNT : Why do YOU love SLY STONE so much ?
Foley : Whew ..Why is the Sky Blue ?
Anyone that can write :
Sunday School don't make U cool forever , And Neither does the Silver of your Spoon
-------- Sylvester Stewart '67
( Not to mention the horn charts against the melody on Everyday People ?!?! )
He is the reason I can even HEAR Music , as it IS
Van Hunt : Man, the first time I heard "Riot" ?
I was like: "How in the hell is he playing the shit I hear in my head...shit that I aint even figured out how to express yet.....AND, do it 30 years before me?!?!
Foley : Hahaha...because , YOU AIN'T "SLY STONE" Nigga !!
Van Hunt : Why do you think he keeps such a low profile ?
Foley : Like most Ground Hogs.....
SLY prolly needs a DAMN GOOD reason to come out of that hole...
He tried to WARN us about our "Behavior" before.....
But, we were too busy "Dancing" & shit
( And thats not his fault either, for being so Gott Damn Funky )
Same thing with James Brown he was trying to tell us something
but, its hard to pay attention while Cold Sweat was the means to deliver the message ?!?
Van : That was part of the genius... thru the packaging !
I mean...for Sly to stick somethin' like "Family Affair" up in the middle of that swamp?!
Nah, It's still hard to hear, when somebody's screamin at you.
Most folks, are only open to getting preached to & gettin yelled at...
Van : A message to the Hughes bros. ( or any filmmakers out there )
WE DON'T NEED another documentary or film or book on Jimi Hendrix.....
AS MUCH AS we need one on "SLY"
but, if you REALLY wanna make me cry out in exctasy ?
Do something on CHARLES STEPNEY !
Hahahaha .....Aiiiiight ?!?!?
But, Van .
U KNOW muthafuckas need a Pretty Face" to match said Hero of the Moment
Do U think women actually listen to what Obama is really saying ?
( Same thing with Julian Bond in the 70s )
Thats whats wrong with the radio....
When MTV had to match a FACE to the voice ?
Thats when it REALLY got Deep...
Van Hunt : But, even the "Pretty Faces" gotta show up wit' some dough.....
if they wanna breathe any of that "Air."
Foley: Yeah , but like most "PIMPS" & their Hoes.....
U want yo' "Product" to look Good, while she's out on the Stroll
They'll spend whatever they deem necessary , to get dat
loot back they've invested already ....
And dont forget the Moral half of that shit, as well .
From "Fatty Arbuckle" to "George Michael
Like MFs didnt Know HE was gay ?!?!
Wake HIM up before Yall GO GO 'head wit dat bullshit
"Hot Pants" & Prancing around in that video ?!?
Its a shame too cause, I really liked Cars & Trains from his "Patience" cd
Why did "Liberace" & "Truman Capote" get a pass ?!?
This Country has ALWAYS been on some "DON'T ASK ...DON'T TELL" shit...
Van : Word.
You and I are both from ohio ( I'm from Dayton-the gem city, nigga!)
FOLEY : NO DOUBT.....
Van Hunt : We have some of the same musical heroes : Sly, Slave, the Emotions.
but, I also love Junie Morrison...for a few reasons, of course.
1. Knee Deep
2. He's was an Ohio Player ! (amazing-considering they replaced him with Billy Beck! another monster!)
3. His album cover for his 1st solo record
4. And Nobody knows anything about him.....
Have you ever met him?
.. we've Talked by phone & emails
we've Talked by phone & emails
Hes the LAST ONE !
Van Hunt : Do you hear any similarities between Monk's piano playing /writing and Duke's ?
Foley : But, Of Course....
U CANNOT GET AROUND DUKE
But, MONK Flipped shit...
Hes the last one to Really shake shit up , on soooo many levels
"Technique VS. Truth" ( Melody & Concepts )
Hunt : I Agree....
Van Hunt : I Agree....
Foley : MONK !!
Van : It's been a popular debate among musicians. could Thelonious Monk really " Play ?"
Foley : If that debate ever came up ?
Then , it was brought up by "Non-Thinkers" who cant PLAY anyway
How U gon Hate on Monk ?!?
Photo: Bob Parent
Plus , to debate "ART" is already self defeating.
And, Un-necessary that's for folks that CANT PARTICIPATE !
( Critics & "Message Board" celebs )
Van Hunt : Sometimes I think about Duke when I'm playing.
or, I think about a woman's ass.....the shake of it.
VAN....If I had a dollar for everytime a woman told me that my music sounds like : SEX
But, If U cant visualize THE most Beautiful thing in your minds eye .
while Creating" Beauty ??
Youre thoughts are SUSPECT to begin with...
Van Hunt : And, I have "Devils & Angels" sitting on each shoulder, in the form of former teachers/mentors-always in my ear telling me whether or not what I'm coming up with is worth a shit.
What does FOLEY think about when He's playing?
Foley : Seriously ? I simply Log off
( from the World & everything that's Im-perfect )
Thats how Im able to play.... at all
If anybody ever told U different ?
Theyve NEVER experienced the Divine Joys of Loggin On
If anybody told U "Otherwise" ?
The World is STILL "Flat" , as far as theyre concerned.
they want U to join them .... When Ya'll BOTH fall
off the planet...
.... When Ya'll BOTH fall off the planet...
Ya Hear Me ?
PHILOSOPHER PHOLEY ?!
Can-I Bus ???
Van Hunt : Yeah...
Why isn't Ella Fitzgerald or Mahalia Jackson on your top 11 female singers list?
Foley : Well, Reggie Hudlin said : "R&B"
But, to categorize is a strange thing to do .anyway
Im sure he just wanted me to think about it, harder. ( I don't know Why.. btw )
Cause, actually "ELLA" IS My favorite singer EVER !
And, she was FINE !!!
Van Hunt : Ok. cause I was worried for a second. "Ella is a fact" she the baddest!
Foley : Umm..More Common knowledge ??
Shit , she was Fuckin' AMAZING !!
And , Gorgeous.....
I got to meet her at MILES' memorial...
While I was greeting Cecily Tyson...Ella was standing next to her...
And Cecily was so glad to see me in that moment...
ELLA saw how she responded to Me.....So, subsequently I got an "Instant PASS"
And, when I said Hello to ELLA, she gave me a huge hug with her greeting !
I WAS DONE NIGGA.....
Yo , SHE & "Ethel Waters" could've GOTTEN IT !!
Hahaha, U know I be's on that "extreme hour-glass" thang tho....
( In their prime of course )
Van Hunt : Give me your top 5 favorite albums-all time.
Foley : Damn, man that s almost impossible....
Well... not in any particlar order ( except Marvin's ) but, off the top of my head ?
1. "Whats Goin On" ( MARVIN )
2. "Theres a Riot Goin On" ( SLY )
3. "90125" ( YES )
4. "Talking Book" or ANY of Stevie's 70's output actually....
5. "Milestones" ( DAVIS )
Honorable mention to "The Dreaming" ( KATE BUSH )
And, of Course ..... Prince's "Sign 0 the Times"
"SMARTALECMUSIC" BURNING QUESTION :
The "SMARTALECMUSIC" BURNING QUESTION :
( or the lack there of )
How much of a role has it played in the shaping of "Modern" Black culture?
Foley : You just answered your own question , Fam....
ANY & ALL CULTURES seem to suffer as a result of this !
A "Lacking" of Anything .....
Van : I have a song I'm writing called "Loving Animals" that talks about human instinct, sexual desires,
people as animals, etc. do you believe a man can be faithful without cuttin' his dick off or becoming a monk?
Foley : Oh Damn...ok
What is "Faithful" vs. "Animalistic" Desires ?
THAT needs to be addressed first !
Then . ALL "Other" answers will follow
Van Hunt : Or should he even try ( to be faithful...& not cut his dick off ? )
Foley : The way Folks have been handling this matter for centuries ?!?!?
I Say :
"OFF with their HEADS"
Van Hunt : "Damn, Foley"
Foley : I'm A "Realist" , man ..... Bullshittin' is too expensive.....
Van : This brings me to my "Either / Or's"
( a relevant and vital part of modern culture-worthy of maintaining )
Relic of the Past ?
( like a roman law created to keep its gay men in check , that should be re-evaluated ? )
Foley : Again....
One MUST be taught the distinction between :
"Symbol ( marriage ) & Thing ( the relationship )
Marriage is something new in Modern History.
And, it's basically designed to throw folks mind off the ball .Spiritually
If anyone really believes that a "Piece of Paper"
or a "Ring" will determine "The Truth" in a Relationship ?
They're Already DELUSIONAL about not only Marriage....
but, I'm sure a WHOLE BUNCH OF SHIT ....
Count Basie's orchestra or Duke Ellington's ?
Charlie Christian or Django Reinhardt ?
NWA or Public Enemy ?
* Just as important *
Herbie Hancock or Bill Evans ( which one did you like more with Miles? )
stop playin man
Jamie Foxx( in Ray ) or Leonardo Dicaprio ( in aviator )
Foley : Fo Reel....?!?
I couldnt tell if that was "RAY" or not, after awhile ( Bless that kat )
I spoke with Jamie when he first started doin comedy back in the day.
( during the height of his "Wanda" character )
A friend of ours [ Joan Rim ] had put Jamie & I in touch ....
And, he was telling me that he had came out to L.A. for MUSIC....
But, comedy & acting kept food on da table .
HE WAS BORN TO PLAY THAT ROLE ....
Van Hunt : Dicaprio got down. I aint gon' lie.
FOLEY : "Uh...........Ok"
Van Hunt : He hehe....
But, when jamie said he had to wear them prosthetics in his eyes and be blind for 14 hours a day?!?!
gotta give it to him.
Foley : But, they prolly Won't ....or should I say : We'll See ?!?
Hollywood ain't Shit.
They're "Real Good" at fuckin' wit folks' heads.
Charles Mingus or Ron Carter?
I's a Muggin'
Let me throw some "Names" at ya.....
( btw ..I heard he wrote the guitar lines on 'bop gun'...is it true? )
Foley : Im Sure .Garry is Un-Fuckin Real
He can REALLY PLAY man !!
You know Garry was like 15-16yrs old when he sang Cosmic Slop !!
We became really cool , when I was up in MPLS producing some of
Georges Smell My Finger
Me & Garry almost "Froze to Death", out derr !!
Although , Im not as up on their stuff as Id like to be.
I need more of "The Five Blind Boys" in my life, as well....
Van Hunt : I think I understood Sly's approach even more, when I heard them & "the Swan Silvertones.
Foley : No Doubt , No Doubt ....
"Ray Charles" made me understand SLY & Paul McCartney
Foley : Whew !!!!
Now, U on some shit....He actually idolized his older brother...that's what drove him artistically
Hes a GREAT example of when a human being uses their BRAIN to *near* capacity
Photo: Phillip Halsman
Van Hunt : And, he did it all natural....didn't even have to try to be THAT crazy !!
Foley : Crazy is akin to "Sexy"
You either are ....or you're NOT !
You can only "Fake" either of them , for 8 minutes....or Less ?
Van Hunt :
Gil Evans - Miles Davis
Charles Stephney - EWF
Billy Strayhorn - Duke Ellington
Wendy & Lisa - Prince
George Martin-The Beatles
Elton John - Bernie Taupin...
artist "Benefited" the MOST
from the relationship with said producer / arranger / sideman / lyricist?
Foley : Wow Great Question , man
ALL OF THEM !
THE "ARTIST" is ultimately the one who benefits the MOST
Its always been about what / whos in your environment.
You Are what U eat .....You are what U hear......
Nobodys an Island.
Some of the GREATEST shit ....EVER WRITTEN ?
Was either stolen ..borrowed ..and Never returned
( copywrites , royalties etc )
Van Hunt : Hell yeah.
But, what I wanted to know was .....
which of these artists NEEDED their "environment" the most?
Foley : Shit ...ALL OF THEM !!
Van Hunt : Ok, which artist suffered the most once they didn't have these people around...
once they were out of their "environment?"
Foley : Off hand ....I'd prolly say Prince ?!?
Not that Prince NEEDS anybody ....He put ALL of Their asses on
But, THAT particular sound DID CHANGE when "The Girls" left
( I hope Prince don't come after me with one of them *High-heeled* Shoes )
HE Knows !
Das My Kat.... Me & PRINCE go WAAAAAAY BACK......
"Prince" is like an older brother to me , where we'd fight with all of time....
But, will fight to the core , if anybody else fucks with either of them? It's a problem !
I can hear him now , tho : "Foley's A legend in his OWN mind "
Nah...I'm just a "REALIST" that can STILL PLAY & STILL PERFORM !!
Van Hunt : Who's the most overrated recording artist in musical history ?
Foley : Anything & Anybody . after SLY STONE !!!!
Actually , whomever's "currently" being Over-Hyped
The TRUTH doesn't need to take out an ad ?!
Did U know ....
"Hershey" didn't advertise til the early '70's ?
They KNEW they had THE best Chocolate....for DECADES
( And , so did EVERYONE else )
William should've Hung the folks who exploited him like that .....Aiiiiiight ?!?
( Part. 4 )
The "SEXY" conclusion....with "Zsaquez"
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